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Hugging Face Journal Club: Scaling Laws for Pre-training & RL

Published 2026-08-04 · Duration 30:57

Summary

The discussion analyzes a paper proposing a joint scaling law for pre-training and Reinforcement Learning (RL), which models how compute allocation across these stages impacts downstream task performance. Key findings suggest that increasing compute allocated to pre-training significantly boosts the model's ability on specific tasks (Pass 1) but has diminishing returns on generalized capability (Pass K). The analysis highlights the importance of optimizing the trade-off between SFT and RL compute budgets.

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Key takeaways

  1. Pre-training vs. RL Compute Allocation 15:20

    The primary takeaway is that increasing compute allocated to pre-training leads to higher performance on downstream tasks (Pass 1). Conversely, while RL improves Pass 1, the model's generalized capability (Pass K) remains relatively stable regardless of the pre-training scale.

  2. Scaling Laws and Model Size 24:45

    When fixing the total compute budget, training smaller models for longer is generally more effective than attempting to train larger models, contradicting simple Chinchilla scaling assumptions in certain contexts.

Technical details

  • Joint Scaling Law (Pre-training & RL) 120s

    The paper proposes a joint scaling law governing the relationship between pre-training compute and subsequent RL performance. This moves beyond traditional single-stage scaling laws like Chinchilla's.

  • Training Pipeline Stages 75s

    The standard pipeline involves three stages: Pre-training $\rightarrow$ Supervised Fine-Guning (SFT) $\rightarrow$ Reinforcement Learning (RL). The compute allocation across these stages is critical for performance.

  • Process-Level Supervision in RL 260s

    The RL setup used chess as a benchmark, providing step-by-step rewards for every action taken. This contrasts with conventional RL that often only scores on the final trajectory, offering 'process level supervision.'

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